What inspired you to start playing the drums?
I first became interested because I liked the sound of marching bands. I can remember as a kid being at a parade and hearing the drums go by and I found that very exciting. That was probably the first thing and then after that I heard a recording with Gene Krupa, it was a Benny Goodman recording with Gene Krupa playing Sing, Sing, Sing. Those things together made me very interested in drumming.
What were your main goals as a kid learning his craft?
I had the good fortune of having a good instructor from the beginning. His name was Billy Flanagan. He was a very good local teacher from the Boston area. He wasn’t a well-known drummer but in 1963 it was common to have a lot of good teachers around the US that had grown up playing jazz and they were teaching in that style. My teacher, when I went to him, was in his sixties during the sixties, which meant during the thirties and forties he was performing with big bands in the area. He taught me in the swing style, he wasn’t a be-bop drummer, he was a swing drummer and so my goals were focused on accomplishing my weekly lesson. I got initiated into the concept of the master and the apprentice. He really was a mentor type figure as well as a teacher and his teaching was done in such a way that I was inspired to do a good job in my lessons so that he was proud of me.
What was the turning point in your career?
There’s no black and white answer for that. There was no turning point in my career. For me, it was a step by step process that started with developing my foundations and then going to the Berklee College of Music which was good on a number of levels, of course educationally, but also for connections, meeting people and networking. Through Berklee I met a bass player named Jeff Berlin and we played together a lot in Boston. In 1976 he was able to recommend me for an audition with Jean-Luc Ponty, which I got the gig and toured and recorded with him.
That was a transition from playing mostly around Boston and the East coast area to touring around the world but nothing happened overnight. Everything was based on one step in front of the other and being prepared for the opportunities that came my way. I had never heard Jean-Luc’s music and I found out about the audition two days before it happened. I just had enough time to get my schedule organized and drive from Boston to New York City. But I was prepared for that audition with all the training that I had up until that point. Jean-Luc was looking for someone who could learn music quickly, which had to do with sight-reading – Jean-Luc put a lot of charts in front of me, which I was able to read easily. I think he auditioned a total of about 20 drummers and most of them could not read. That was their problem because if you can’t read you can’t learn music instantly. He needed someone who could come on the gig and literally play the gig a couple of days later. My reading ability helped a lot so I had the ability to take advantage of that opportunity that came my way.
When I toured with Jean-Luc, and later with Ronnie Montrose, the guys in Journey heard me play and that led to me being asked to play with Journey. Another opportunity came up when I happened to be doing a clinic with Peter Erskine and Lenny White in 1986. Peter told me that he had just left Steps Ahead, Lenny said he knew all about it because they had just called him to take his place but he couldn’t do it. I said to Lenny “I’m available and I’d love to do it” and literally the next day I got a call from both Michael Brecker and Mike Mainieri and they asked me to join Steps Ahead.
You have to network but you have to be able to step-up and deliver the goods when the opportunities come your way.